This quarrel sparked by technical discussions has also drawn the community's attention to the two ecosystems.
Written by: Pzai, Foresight News
In the blockchain field, due to various factors such as technology and community, friction between different projects often occurs.
On November 27, Movement co-founder Rushi Manche targeted Scroll employee Toghrul Maharramov (who had directly referred to users as 'e-baggor' in some tweets, even evolving into a meme within the Scroll community) and pointed out, "Almost no one is willing to be recognized as EVM L2 because of the work you have done," and this quarrel sparked by technical discussions has also drawn the community's attention to the two ecosystems. This article outlines the events that transpired, aiming to help readers understand the ins and outs.
Technical term 'definition rights'
The entire reason started with a discussion about 'post-confirmation' on November 26. In blockchain networks, post-confirmation refers to the rapid confirmation of a new block's correctness by validators after it is created. This process occurs during the confirmation phase of the blockchain, aiming to speed up transaction confirmation and provide a certain level of security. Movement, as a modular Move framework, constructs a 'post-confirmation' mechanism that first ensures L2 instant confirmation through the economic guarantee of L2 MOVE token staking, followed by state updates after proof on L1. The validator network verifies the new block, submits the signed proof, and confirms or rejects the new block of the staking contract on L1.
Toghrul raised questions about the 'post-confirmation' of Movement transactions and engaged in discussions with Movement researchers Andreas and Franck. The controversy between the two sides centered on whether 'post-confirmation' is merely another form of pre-confirmation. Toghrul insisted that this mechanism is just part of the overall confirmation process and questioned whether 'post-confirmation' truly minimizes trust bridging, asserting that it is essentially equivalent to Polygon's sidechain and cannot be called an L2. Monad's DevRel ZenLlama also leaned towards the pre-confirmation viewpoint. Before the eruption, these discussions were still focused on defining technical terms.
The flames of war ignite
In another tweet, Rushi criticized, "Now only Uniswap or Flashbot's protocols aligned with Ethereum receive attention," and he stated that thousands of terms have been created for 'useless' Ethereum L2. Coincidentally, Toghrul had just ended his debate with Movement researchers and naturally turned his fire on Rushi, pointing out that Movement directly forked from Aptos and utilized some of the 'useless L2' infrastructure he mentioned, concluding with, "Please put down your arrogance."
Perhaps the last arrogant remark angered Rushi, who then responded with a lengthy tweet, "I have only respect for some members of your team, but Scroll and you may be one of the worst projects in this field to the extent that at least 6 of your colleagues (half of whom are no longer on the team) came to me to apologize for your behavior," sharply criticizing his former employer Scroll, revealing issues like 'predatory' airdrop distributions, team dumping behaviors (secondary market shares and high valuations taken over by the team), and airdrop front-running, leaving a comment: "Technical debates are one thing, and I am sure we can improve. If you want to switch jobs with Franck, then go ahead. Otherwise, improve your own damn chain so that it is not an outright scam."
On November 27, as the MoveDrop airdrop opened for registration, criticism of Scroll received more support from community users, and this quarrel sparked by technical discussions also became part of project marketing.
Interestingly, Rushi also stated that a quarter of the Scroll team applied for Movement positions in the past two months. Toghrul quickly responded, stating he has left the Scroll team. However, at the time of his response, he had not removed his Scroll badge on X, to which Rushi commented: "Even he is ashamed of Scroll".
Community response
After Rushi's attacks, Toghrul officially stated that he had left the Scroll team, with some users humorously commenting "Thank you for your 'post-confirmation'". Others inquired whether Toghrul would join Solana, to which Solana founder Toly remarked, "We have been reckless enough".
In this incident, a large number of community users condemned Toghrul and even the Scroll team, and he fired back at some users, "If you reply to my tweet, you will definitely get a bigger MOVE airdrop, right?"
This quarrel began with a technical discussion, revealing the conflict between new public chains built with architectures like Move and traditional EVM L2 ecosystems.
For Movement, Rushi's tweet garnered broad community support, while Scroll excels in ZK technology. Toghrul later expressed, "Still haven't heard the final answer on whether Movement is a sidechain or L2," just as Toly commented, "As long as the cross-chain bridge has multi-signature, it can be L2."
